The anti-war movement was the main catalyst that changed people's behavior. For instance, smoking grass was rare, at least among the people I knew when I got here. And politically people were much more straight and of course it went just to the opposite extreme in 1970. It was a kind of exciting time to be here, interesting, because it was such a fast change. We knew what it was like when we got here, and people were changing fast.

A lot of the students who were in the college the first couple of years thought that JMC was becoming a boring bin of radicalism. The students weren't intellectual any more, they weren't interested in learning their studies, and they objected to that change. And the students who were fairly radical and active politically objected when that began to change and people became more introspective and oriented toward self-development. And I guess I've been here long enough not to think that any one change is going to destroy or end the college. It's going to change it, but I don't think it will destroy it.

When I was a freshman, there were the rules and most people took the rules seriously. And about two or three years later there went the rules and most people didn't take them very seriously.

The college has changed a lot over the years. And it's always interesting to me that each group of students can't get the same experience that the graduate had when he was here. And it strikes me how resistant to change students are.

JMC is a great attempt to break down some of the old barriers so that we can look at new possibilities and try them out and be willing to accept failure. And then adjust.

In 1969, there was a funeral procession for JMC. Two students carried the casket, and others carried candles. It was after the first people had gone all the way through. They were near graduation. They said "Oh, this place is dead, this place is finished. It was supposed to be exciting and terrific and now it's just kind of blah."

We have had good students from the beginning and we still have good students. I just think student expectations of a university education have changed. It's difficult when all your teaching is not required in terms of job and that sort of thing. I think you have to make yourself realize that you really must interest students in what you're doing, and gauge accurately how much they can do. And be rather careful in setting it up so that they do it. They're not dumber students, they're just different students.